Un Apple Tablet PC dans les cartons ?
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Un Apple Tablet PC dans les cartons ?
C'est ce que semble affirmer ASUS : Apple serait en train de préparer une version Tablet PC de ses ordinateurs...
Lien : http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39029450,49293967,00.htm
Lien : http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39029450,49293967,00.htm
Re: Un Apple Tablet PC dans les cartons ?
il en peuve plus..... lol.... mais non j'ai rien contre les macs...
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Re: Un Apple Tablet PC dans les cartons ?
y a bon, J'attends tjs le 12 pouces
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Re: Un Apple Tablet PC dans les cartons ?
t'inquiète DD, même le prix "Apple" sera pris en compte aussi
Re: Un Apple Tablet PC dans les cartons ?
Je ne suis toujours pas d'accord avec cet histoire de prix mais bon
Re: Un Apple Tablet PC dans les cartons ?
http://www.internet-nexus.com/2006/08/mac-pro-vs-dell-precision-price.htm
Mac Pro vs. Dell Precision: A price comparison (Updated)
There's
been a lot of baloney published online about the pricing of Apple's Mac
Pro lately. I've had numerous emails from readers curious why I won't
"admit" that the Mac Pro is not only competitive with a certain Dell
workstation, but it's actually quite a bit cheaper. I think Apple's
done a commendable job with the Mac Pro. But seriously, Apples are
still more expensive than PCs across the board. They just are.
But
let's focus on the Mac Pro. It's a fine machine. It's attractively
priced, for a workstation. It appears to compete nicely with a
particular Dell workstation that Apple used in its WWDC keynote
example. What's really going on here?
First, these are
workstations, not PCs. That means they are not sold in volume, like
PCs, and come with much more expensive parts (like Xeon chips).
Logically, we could assume that Apple would be more competitive with
workstations than with PCs, because Dell's pricing advantage won't be
as pronounced in a non-volume market. That appears to be the case here.
Second,
Dell is the Crazy Eddie of PC sales online. If you're an individual
looking for insane low-cost deals, there are entire Web sites dedicated
to Dell coupon codes and Dell specials. Apple is Apple and there's
pretty much one price (OK, Apple has educational prices and no doubt
offers volume discounts). Dell has different prices every day and a
very well established volume licensing program for businesses of all
sizes.
Third, Dell offers far more configuration options than
Apple. Steve Jobs made a big deal out of explaining the millions of
potential configurations available with the Mac Pro. But the
possibilities with any Dell workstation or PC are infinitely higher.
Put simply, the range of options and prices you can get with Dell are
far better than what's possible with Apple. You can get very
inexpensive Dells (less expensive than Apple, but less powerful) or
very full-featured Dells (more powerful than anything Apple offers).
But
whatever. The real reason I didn't compare the Mac Pro with a Dell
workstation is that I just didn't care. I didn't see the point. I
thought it was clear that Apple was competitive. But your emails have
convinced me. So I took a look. And Apple does beat Dell's pricing. (I
made a mistake in my initial configuration, in which Dell beat the Mac
Pro.)
Here's what I did, and I think this is where most Mac
Pro/Dell workstations comparisons go wrong. I tried to configure two
nearly identical systems as cheaply as possible. That is, I upgraded
the video card in each to be the same exact video card. I got the same
hard drive. The same memory. The same processors. And I used the Dell
workstation model that most closely matched the Mac Pro. Here's how it
came out:
Systems
Dell Precision Workstation 490 (32-bit) = $5,530
Apple Mac Pro = $4949
Apple price advantage = $581
Processor(s)
Two 3GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon
Advantage:
Toss-up. While Apple offers only dual 2, 2.66, and 3 GHz processors,
Dell offers single or dual 1.6, 1.86, 2, 2.33, 2.66, 3, 3.2, and 3.7
GHz processors. As configured, Dell's system is more expensive than
Apple's, and that's what we're looking at here primarily. In terms of
pure machine-to-machine comparison, Apple comes out ahead. But I still
think the far wider range of choices on the Dell side will put that
over the top for most users. (Note that the 3.2 and 3.7 GHz processors
are actually previous generation Xeons and are likely not as fast as
the newer model 3 GHz processors Apple uses.)
Operating system
Dell: Windows XP Professional (32-bit)
Apple: Mac OS X Tiger for Intel
Advantage:
Well, we all have opinions. Note: A number of readers suggested I
configure the Dell as a 64-bit workstation. While that's possible,
that's not exactly a mainstream configuration these days on the Windows
side.
Graphics card
Dell: 512MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro FX 4500, Dual DVI or Dual VGA or DVI + VGA
Apple: NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 512MB, Stereo 3D (2 x dual-link DVI)
Advantage:
Apple. Apple's video card is a dual-link DVI that makes the Apple
30-inch display possible. Dell's card is dual DVI, which cannot drive a
display like the 30-incher.
Memory:
Dell: 1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 667MHz, ECC (2 DIMMS)
Apple: 1GB (2 x 512MB) 667MHz DDR2 fully buffered ECC RAM
Advantage: n/a
Hard drive
Dell: 250GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM NCQ Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst Cache
Apple: 250GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
Advantage: Apple. The Dell can only be only be configured with 3 hard drives. Apple can hold up to four.
Display
Dell: None
Apple: None
Advantage:
Dell, unless you want a 30-inch screen. Dell's widescreen LCDs are
still cheaper than Apple's. The 20-inch Dell is $459, compared to $699
for Apple. The 24-inch Dell is $879, compared to $999 for Apple's
23-incher.
Optical drive
Dell: 16X DVD+/-RW
Apple: 16x double-layer SuperDrive
Advantage: n/a ... It turns out the Dell drive is a dual-layer model as well.
Wireless and modem options
Dell: None
Apple: None
Advantage: n/a
Warranty
Dell: 3 years with lifetime phone support
Apple: 1 year
Advantage:
Dell. You can purchase a 3 year AppleCare package for the Mac Pro for
$249. You can also save $109 on the Dell by choosing a "3 year economy
plan." It doesn't take a math whiz to understand that these choices
impact Apple's price advantage.
Based on feedback, I've updated
this to include the correct processor types in the Dell, which indeed
made the Dell system more expensive than the Apple. I won't make any
excuses here (though adding a display lowers the price difference), as
my point orginally wasn't to "prove" that Dell was cheaper, only to
logically compare the two systems in ways I don't feel were done
accurately online previously.
It's worth noting that you can
also configure a Dell that's almost identically priced to the Mac Pro:
Just add in AppleCare support to match Dell's standard warranty (which
one might argue is fair), and a 20-inch display for both systems, and
the score comes out to $5897 for the Mac Pro and $5989 for the Dell.
That's just $90 different. So yeah, Apple still comes out ahead.
Exciting, eh?
So sure enough, you can configure an Apple workstation that is cheaper than a Dell. There you go
Mac Pro vs. Dell Precision: A price comparison (Updated)
There's
been a lot of baloney published online about the pricing of Apple's Mac
Pro lately. I've had numerous emails from readers curious why I won't
"admit" that the Mac Pro is not only competitive with a certain Dell
workstation, but it's actually quite a bit cheaper. I think Apple's
done a commendable job with the Mac Pro. But seriously, Apples are
still more expensive than PCs across the board. They just are.
But
let's focus on the Mac Pro. It's a fine machine. It's attractively
priced, for a workstation. It appears to compete nicely with a
particular Dell workstation that Apple used in its WWDC keynote
example. What's really going on here?
First, these are
workstations, not PCs. That means they are not sold in volume, like
PCs, and come with much more expensive parts (like Xeon chips).
Logically, we could assume that Apple would be more competitive with
workstations than with PCs, because Dell's pricing advantage won't be
as pronounced in a non-volume market. That appears to be the case here.
Second,
Dell is the Crazy Eddie of PC sales online. If you're an individual
looking for insane low-cost deals, there are entire Web sites dedicated
to Dell coupon codes and Dell specials. Apple is Apple and there's
pretty much one price (OK, Apple has educational prices and no doubt
offers volume discounts). Dell has different prices every day and a
very well established volume licensing program for businesses of all
sizes.
Third, Dell offers far more configuration options than
Apple. Steve Jobs made a big deal out of explaining the millions of
potential configurations available with the Mac Pro. But the
possibilities with any Dell workstation or PC are infinitely higher.
Put simply, the range of options and prices you can get with Dell are
far better than what's possible with Apple. You can get very
inexpensive Dells (less expensive than Apple, but less powerful) or
very full-featured Dells (more powerful than anything Apple offers).
But
whatever. The real reason I didn't compare the Mac Pro with a Dell
workstation is that I just didn't care. I didn't see the point. I
thought it was clear that Apple was competitive. But your emails have
convinced me. So I took a look. And Apple does beat Dell's pricing. (I
made a mistake in my initial configuration, in which Dell beat the Mac
Pro.)
Here's what I did, and I think this is where most Mac
Pro/Dell workstations comparisons go wrong. I tried to configure two
nearly identical systems as cheaply as possible. That is, I upgraded
the video card in each to be the same exact video card. I got the same
hard drive. The same memory. The same processors. And I used the Dell
workstation model that most closely matched the Mac Pro. Here's how it
came out:
Systems
Dell Precision Workstation 490 (32-bit) = $5,530
Apple Mac Pro = $4949
Apple price advantage = $581
Processor(s)
Two 3GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon
Advantage:
Toss-up. While Apple offers only dual 2, 2.66, and 3 GHz processors,
Dell offers single or dual 1.6, 1.86, 2, 2.33, 2.66, 3, 3.2, and 3.7
GHz processors. As configured, Dell's system is more expensive than
Apple's, and that's what we're looking at here primarily. In terms of
pure machine-to-machine comparison, Apple comes out ahead. But I still
think the far wider range of choices on the Dell side will put that
over the top for most users. (Note that the 3.2 and 3.7 GHz processors
are actually previous generation Xeons and are likely not as fast as
the newer model 3 GHz processors Apple uses.)
Operating system
Dell: Windows XP Professional (32-bit)
Apple: Mac OS X Tiger for Intel
Advantage:
Well, we all have opinions. Note: A number of readers suggested I
configure the Dell as a 64-bit workstation. While that's possible,
that's not exactly a mainstream configuration these days on the Windows
side.
Graphics card
Dell: 512MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro FX 4500, Dual DVI or Dual VGA or DVI + VGA
Apple: NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 512MB, Stereo 3D (2 x dual-link DVI)
Advantage:
Apple. Apple's video card is a dual-link DVI that makes the Apple
30-inch display possible. Dell's card is dual DVI, which cannot drive a
display like the 30-incher.
Memory:
Dell: 1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 667MHz, ECC (2 DIMMS)
Apple: 1GB (2 x 512MB) 667MHz DDR2 fully buffered ECC RAM
Advantage: n/a
Hard drive
Dell: 250GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM NCQ Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst Cache
Apple: 250GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
Advantage: Apple. The Dell can only be only be configured with 3 hard drives. Apple can hold up to four.
Display
Dell: None
Apple: None
Advantage:
Dell, unless you want a 30-inch screen. Dell's widescreen LCDs are
still cheaper than Apple's. The 20-inch Dell is $459, compared to $699
for Apple. The 24-inch Dell is $879, compared to $999 for Apple's
23-incher.
Optical drive
Dell: 16X DVD+/-RW
Apple: 16x double-layer SuperDrive
Advantage: n/a ... It turns out the Dell drive is a dual-layer model as well.
Wireless and modem options
Dell: None
Apple: None
Advantage: n/a
Warranty
Dell: 3 years with lifetime phone support
Apple: 1 year
Advantage:
Dell. You can purchase a 3 year AppleCare package for the Mac Pro for
$249. You can also save $109 on the Dell by choosing a "3 year economy
plan." It doesn't take a math whiz to understand that these choices
impact Apple's price advantage.
Based on feedback, I've updated
this to include the correct processor types in the Dell, which indeed
made the Dell system more expensive than the Apple. I won't make any
excuses here (though adding a display lowers the price difference), as
my point orginally wasn't to "prove" that Dell was cheaper, only to
logically compare the two systems in ways I don't feel were done
accurately online previously.
It's worth noting that you can
also configure a Dell that's almost identically priced to the Mac Pro:
Just add in AppleCare support to match Dell's standard warranty (which
one might argue is fair), and a 20-inch display for both systems, and
the score comes out to $5897 for the Mac Pro and $5989 for the Dell.
That's just $90 different. So yeah, Apple still comes out ahead.
Exciting, eh?
So sure enough, you can configure an Apple workstation that is cheaper than a Dell. There you go
Re: Un Apple Tablet PC dans les cartons ?
Je ne vois pas l’intérêt d’acheter un pc chez dell,
ou autres…. C’est beaucoup plus sympa de le monter…
Exemple de cofing que j'ai faite (chercher les pieces sur les site des magasin... il y a quel que jours... :
CPU :Intel Core 2 Quad Kensfield Q6600 2.4 Ghz
CM : Gigabyte GA-X38-DQ6
RAM : Corsair TWIN2X DDR2 800MHz 8Go
Alim : Thermaltake Toughpower - 850W
HDD : Western Digital Caviar SE16 - 500 GB - SATA II x2
+ Western Digital Caviar SE - 160 GB - SATA II
Graveur : Plextor PX-800A - Black – Bulk
Lecteur : Asus DVD-E616A3T
Souris : Logitech MX Revolution Mouse
Clavier : Logitech Media Keyboard
Boitier : Thermaltake Armor Black – Window
Ecran : Iiyama ProLite E2201W
OS : Français Windows XP PRO OEM X64 64bits
Tablet : Wacom Intuos3 A5Wide – Français
Carte graphique : Nvidia Quadro FX5500 (d’occasion -> 1700 CHF)
Et tout ca me coute +-5310 CHF -> 3.196,23 Euro
(sur ->xe.com)
ou autres…. C’est beaucoup plus sympa de le monter…
Exemple de cofing que j'ai faite (chercher les pieces sur les site des magasin... il y a quel que jours... :
CPU :Intel Core 2 Quad Kensfield Q6600 2.4 Ghz
CM : Gigabyte GA-X38-DQ6
RAM : Corsair TWIN2X DDR2 800MHz 8Go
Alim : Thermaltake Toughpower - 850W
HDD : Western Digital Caviar SE16 - 500 GB - SATA II x2
+ Western Digital Caviar SE - 160 GB - SATA II
Graveur : Plextor PX-800A - Black – Bulk
Lecteur : Asus DVD-E616A3T
Souris : Logitech MX Revolution Mouse
Clavier : Logitech Media Keyboard
Boitier : Thermaltake Armor Black – Window
Ecran : Iiyama ProLite E2201W
OS : Français Windows XP PRO OEM X64 64bits
Tablet : Wacom Intuos3 A5Wide – Français
Carte graphique : Nvidia Quadro FX5500 (d’occasion -> 1700 CHF)
Et tout ca me coute +-5310 CHF -> 3.196,23 Euro
(sur ->xe.com)
KamS- Chef de partie
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Re: Un Apple Tablet PC dans les cartons ?
Pour un particulier ouais c'est sur faut ce le monter soit meme.
mais pour une boite c'est autre chose. chez hp ils te font des inters sur site sous 4H en cas de panne et bon y'a pas photos c'est carrement plus fiable que des machines "d'assembleur"
mais pour une boite c'est autre chose. chez hp ils te font des inters sur site sous 4H en cas de panne et bon y'a pas photos c'est carrement plus fiable que des machines "d'assembleur"
Re: Un Apple Tablet PC dans les cartons ?
Kams, quand on compare on compare correctement.
Donc on compare un assembleur avec un autre assembleur.
Sinon c'est comme comparer du lait avec du gruyere.
Oui tu peux acheter du lait et faire ton propre gruyere. Ca te coutera moins cher.
Donc on compare un assembleur avec un autre assembleur.
Sinon c'est comme comparer du lait avec du gruyere.
Oui tu peux acheter du lait et faire ton propre gruyere. Ca te coutera moins cher.
Re: Un Apple Tablet PC dans les cartons ?
:H9: DD j'adore les comparaisons !
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Re: Un Apple Tablet PC dans les cartons ?
il y avait lait et chantilly mais bon je suis au regime alors bon !!
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Re: Un Apple Tablet PC dans les cartons ?
pas besoin de regime DD juste ca :
http://yahoo.anxa.com/efengshui/commentfaire.asp?m=4&v=0
http://yahoo.anxa.com/efengshui/commentfaire.asp?m=4&v=0
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Re: Un Apple Tablet PC dans les cartons ?
bon si ca vous fait plaisir... mais bon perso c'est les gouts
et couleurs donc voila... je préfère pc zindoz/linux a mac et c'est comme ca...
mais je suis d’accord que mac a des choses très sympa a proposer… et même sont
mac g5 pro je le trouve très bien… mais bon
et couleurs donc voila... je préfère pc zindoz/linux a mac et c'est comme ca...
mais je suis d’accord que mac a des choses très sympa a proposer… et même sont
mac g5 pro je le trouve très bien… mais bon
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Re: Un Apple Tablet PC dans les cartons ?
Oui parce que c’est toi….
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